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is currennt ssjb goku on par with ssjb vegeta again
Topic Started: Dec 27 2017, 11:24 PM (15,828 Views)
superperfectnerd
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The 'story' had characters actually react to Vegeta's gut punch to Jiren. Nobody cared when Goku had a fight through some boulders. That wasn't pushing, that was preliminary play fighting for Jiren. His reaction to Vegeta punching him says it was different this time.
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Again if you want to ignore what was explicitly stated, that's your problem, not mine. You refuse to acknowledge what's stated in the story based on nothing more than preconceived notions, so there's no debate to be had.
The characters via their own statements acknowledged Vegeta countering Jiren's technique. That's what they reacted to, not him simply him hitting Jiren. Jiren has been hit multiple times.

Goku penetrated the energy of a stronger Jiren. Period. If what you're saying is true then Goku would've been tanked like Vegeta was or repelled like Katopesla.
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well also piccolo does state when first comments on UI goku

''it only grazed him,but goku's attacks are working! ''even though he was no match as blue before''

this means pretty much from piccolo's statement,none of goku's attacks as blue before worked but now vegeta as blue can land a hard blow too his stomach?

i see no reason why vegeta blue isnt stronger than goku blue
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SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Jan 9 2018, 11:31 PM
Again if you want to ignore what was explicitly stated, that's your problem, not mine. You refuse to acknowledge what's stated in the story based on nothing more than preconceived notions, so there's no debate to be had.
The characters via their own statements acknowledged Vegeta countering Jiren's technique. That's what they reacted to, not him simply him hitting Jiren. Jiren has been hit multiple times.

Goku penetrated the energy of a stronger Jiren. Period. If what you're saying is true then Goku would've been tanked like Vegeta was or repelled like Katopesla.
Goku did not penetrate the energy of Jiren. Jiren let him hit him. He chose to block him with a finger, but Goku couldn't break his energy field. Hell Goku kicked him full on with kaioken blue and didn't budge him either. In fact Goku hangs on by using kaioken to save himself from elimination.

Piccolo points out directly that Vegeta penetrates the barrier on his own which is a first
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Kblo247
Jan 10 2018, 03:11 AM
SuperSaiyanGodGogeta
Jan 9 2018, 11:31 PM
Again if you want to ignore what was explicitly stated, that's your problem, not mine. You refuse to acknowledge what's stated in the story based on nothing more than preconceived notions, so there's no debate to be had.
The characters via their own statements acknowledged Vegeta countering Jiren's technique. That's what they reacted to, not him simply him hitting Jiren. Jiren has been hit multiple times.

Goku penetrated the energy of a stronger Jiren. Period. If what you're saying is true then Goku would've been tanked like Vegeta was or repelled like Katopesla.
Goku did not penetrate the energy of Jiren. Jiren let him hit him. He chose to block him with a finger, but Goku couldn't break his energy field. Hell Goku kicked him full on with kaioken blue and didn't budge him either. In fact Goku hangs on by using kaioken to save himself from elimination.

Piccolo points out directly that Vegeta penetrates the barrier on his own which is a first
Also goku needed x20 blue to keep from getting eliminated while vegeta did not.
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Belmod never worried about blue Goku, he worried about Vegeta as did Toppo before the Final Flash. Even if it was only after seeing Jiren's attack that Vegeta became stronger, he still did more to Jiren than Goku did and your response is "well Jiren tried harder against Goku". UI Goku. UI Goku is the one Vegeta cares about, the one he's trying to surpass, the one he's talking about here and the only other person to make anyone from universe 11 sweat about whether Jiren could handle it. Piccolo, Belmod and Toppo's reaction makes no sense if all Vegeta did was cleverly adapt to one move and then put no pressure on Jiren whatsoever with the same power as blue Goku. They wouldn't worry about Jiren then now would they?
Edited by superperfectnerd, Jan 10 2018, 04:36 AM.
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